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that is exactly what vice president biden is hearing right now. the key question is how deep and how broad that is. it will be interesting to see whether they come out of this meeting thinking that they need to rewrite a couple of points in the bill which would put off any deal tonight yet again. if they have to go back to republicans because of what they are hearing in the room that is bad news fora deal and you suspect the longer this goes on the more likely that is what is being discussed. >> bret: i agree with you. this is actually a long meeting at 10:40 when you are supposed to potentially move legislation to the senate floor tonight to take action potentially for the house to act tomorrow. stephen dinal with the washington times. thank you very much. i'm getting a lot of tweets from people who just are tired of fiscal cliff coverage. they just want to see megyn kelly and bill in times square dancing gangnam style or whatever they are doing. >> happy new year. >> take me out of fiscal cliff, washington. >> see yew in a minute, bret. happy ne
that is exactly what vice president biden is hearing right now. the key question is how deep and how broad that is. it will be interesting to see whether they come out of this meeting thinking that they need to rewrite a couple of points in the bill which would put off any deal tonight yet again. if they have to go back to republicans because of what they are hearing in the room that is bad news fora deal and you suspect the longer this goes on the more likely that is what is being discussed....
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we reported that joe biden, the environment, is in the building. our photographer just saw him go into harry reid's office. he's currently meeting, i don't know, one-on-one, or maybe with other members of the senate democratic leadership in the office of senator harry reid, which is just around the corner from where i'm standing right now. you see this crowd of people behind me. those are reporters waiting to see if the vice president is going to come through because he's eventually going to come through he and meet with all of the senate democrats for the meeting you were talking about with the senator. sounds as though they're doing a little talking about -- a little bit of a game plan about how they're going to present this to the caucus, and obviously, that's a very delicate issue for reasons we have been talking about. the democratic caucus, many of them are not happy. in fact, i have to tell you i was told by one democratic senator when they put up on a screen, they put up yesterday in a meeting that democrats were having, they put up almost
we reported that joe biden, the environment, is in the building. our photographer just saw him go into harry reid's office. he's currently meeting, i don't know, one-on-one, or maybe with other members of the senate democratic leadership in the office of senator harry reid, which is just around the corner from where i'm standing right now. you see this crowd of people behind me. those are reporters waiting to see if the vice president is going to come through because he's eventually going to...
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>> well, joe biden and mitch mcconnell are older school politicians. they remember a time when compromise was how you close deals like this. and there are a lot of, i guess, mostly younger members up there who don't remember that time. they view their job is to go to washington and create conflict and have grid lock. that doesn't mean that their caucuses will certainly be with them. that is no surprise to me that vice president joe biden is talking with them. it is not a slam dunk, i suspect it will, especially if it passes the senate with a significantly bipartisan vote. you have some real deal makers. >> what do you think that this really means in your opinion, to the average american taxpayer? whether, you know, with the threat we may go over the cliff, and now we may really not. what difference did this really, really mean and if you could put it in plain words for us who are not economists, just explain what it means for all of us? >> well, first of all it means that if you're someone who is a beneficiary of long-term unemployment benefits, you're
>> well, joe biden and mitch mcconnell are older school politicians. they remember a time when compromise was how you close deals like this. and there are a lot of, i guess, mostly younger members up there who don't remember that time. they view their job is to go to washington and create conflict and have grid lock. that doesn't mean that their caucuses will certainly be with them. that is no surprise to me that vice president joe biden is talking with them. it is not a slam dunk, i...
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so, again, vice president biden heading to the hill. just three hours until we head over the fiscal cliff. the large concern here is the impact that going over the cliff would have on the economy. now economists say look, it's not going to be a windfall on wednesday. it's not going to be a complete disaster all at once. but what could happen is that the markets could begin to respond on wednesday. they're closed of course tomorrow for the holiday. and then over time, the average american could wind up paying about $2,000 more in their taxes. and if we went over the cliff and stayed over the cliff for a significant amount of time, the economy could eventually begin to dip back into recession. and that is really the big concern here. you've heard president obama talk about those concerns when he has held some of these public campaign events. he held one today to pressure congress to act. he has talked about the fact that this is a really about americans and the economy and preventing the economic recovery from being harmed. milissa? >> kr
so, again, vice president biden heading to the hill. just three hours until we head over the fiscal cliff. the large concern here is the impact that going over the cliff would have on the economy. now economists say look, it's not going to be a windfall on wednesday. it's not going to be a complete disaster all at once. but what could happen is that the markets could begin to respond on wednesday. they're closed of course tomorrow for the holiday. and then over time, the average american could...
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senate majority leader harry reid said we should talk to vice president biden and mitch mcconnell. earlier republicans suggested changing the way inflation is calculated on changes like social security read offered this reaction late in the day. >> i was really grass fied to hear republicans taking command by social security set off the table. this should never have been on the table to begin with. there is still significant difference between the two sides negotiations continue. still time left to reach an agreement. >> meanwhile west virginia democrat joe mansion introduced the calm act trying to soften the blow as the country goes off the fiscal cliff. it would maphase in tax hikes or the years and prioritize spending cuts. he says he's frustrated and tried to do something. >> it was crossing the wires it's more than frustration it sounds like desperation at this point as they are losing hope. the chained cpi the social security adjustment you were talking about basically changes the way they configure the cost of living and would make those benefits smaller checks. does it soun
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, but an important one, because the two of them have a longstanding relationship, and joe biden was a senator for three decades, and they have worked through the bipartisan deals before and like the actual tax cut extension that happened a couple of years ago and the second thing that you hear claire mccaskill, the democrat, talk about is that republicans are holding out for taxes for the rich. that is something that we heard the president talk about ad nauseam on the campaign trail for over a year, but it really does seem to be a boiling down to those same arguments, and the same philosophical differences behind closed doors and then technically, process-wise, what is going on is that they have to figure out where the threshold is for how high of an income you have to raise enough votes in the house where there is a big republican majority in order to get it to the president's desk. >> a lot of information, dana. standby, because even though the senate has gone home, still maybe more news. dana will be joining us later. thank you. ali? >> don, we have cnn contributor and columnist fo
, but an important one, because the two of them have a longstanding relationship, and joe biden was a senator for three decades, and they have worked through the bipartisan deals before and like the actual tax cut extension that happened a couple of years ago and the second thing that you hear claire mccaskill, the democrat, talk about is that republicans are holding out for taxes for the rich. that is something that we heard the president talk about ad nauseam on the campaign trail for over a...
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the republican leader calls joe biden off the bench, right. this is kind of what we all had been waiting for. the senate republican leader and the vice president have a good working relationship. we saw that last summer in the debt ceiling debate. those two guys swooped in at the end and helped make a deal happen. when i talked to mcconnell's folks last week, they said, you know, the vice president has been on the sidelines here. we have not been contacted by them. we have not been contacted by the president. it was an interesting move by mitch mcconnell to call joe biden today and try to jump-start these negotiations when they locked up with the majority leader on the democrat side. that will be something to watch in the coming hours. democrats are concerned he will cut a bad deal. they're feeling pretty good right now. will joe biden come in an emboldin the republicans or will the dems hang together across pennsylvania avenue from the white house to congress. a big storyline that we're all watching very closely. >> now that we here that they
the republican leader calls joe biden off the bench, right. this is kind of what we all had been waiting for. the senate republican leader and the vice president have a good working relationship. we saw that last summer in the debt ceiling debate. those two guys swooped in at the end and helped make a deal happen. when i talked to mcconnell's folks last week, they said, you know, the vice president has been on the sidelines here. we have not been contacted by them. we have not been contacted by...
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and that is, that senate minority leader, of the republican, mitch mcconnell and vice president biden have spoken. they've spoken twice. and the two of them have a history of cutting deals together. they were able to cobble together the debt deal that got us through the debt negotiations and kept the country from defaulting back in the summer of 2011. does this mean it will happen again? no. but it at least means there is a line of communication open between democrats and senior democrat and republican and the possibility that who knows, maybe there could be a path forward and this very late hour. ali, i'm not saying there will be. >> which is why nobody is saying we're done. nobody is saying this is over. you know, for the last few weeks, most people will recall that the conversations have been between president obama, at least the public ones, between president obama and john boehner. john bain certificate sort of sitting this one out. it's now harry reid, the senate majority leader, the democrat, and mitch mcconnell, the senate minority leader, the republican and joe biden has been
and that is, that senate minority leader, of the republican, mitch mcconnell and vice president biden have spoken. they've spoken twice. and the two of them have a history of cutting deals together. they were able to cobble together the debt deal that got us through the debt negotiations and kept the country from defaulting back in the summer of 2011. does this mean it will happen again? no. but it at least means there is a line of communication open between democrats and senior democrat and...
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and a former economist for vice president joe biden. and of course nbc's luke russert. luke, i'm starting with you. we just got a statement from speaker boehner and the house leaders. and shock. they are putting it back on the senate. tell us about the statement and where it's going from here. >> it's a fascinating ping-pong match right now. but really with the senate, john boehner, eric cantor with mccarthy and morris are saying is there are two bills the house passed to deal with the fiscal cliff that are now over the united states senate. if the senate wants to do anything with them, amend them and send them back to the house and perhaps the house will act on it. essentially what boehner is saying is we're not making any moves until the senate amends the two bills we passed over or sends a new one. what are in those bills? well, they essentially extend the bush tax cuts permanently for all earners. and then to avert the sequester and other types of cuts, they make what a lot of liberals have called draconian cuts to meals on wheels, food stamps. it goes into discreti
and a former economist for vice president joe biden. and of course nbc's luke russert. luke, i'm starting with you. we just got a statement from speaker boehner and the house leaders. and shock. they are putting it back on the senate. tell us about the statement and where it's going from here. >> it's a fascinating ping-pong match right now. but really with the senate, john boehner, eric cantor with mccarthy and morris are saying is there are two bills the house passed to deal with the...
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senator mcconnell and vice president biden are continuing to discuss this and we think there perhaps still could be a path forward. the one thing that is a, you know, democrats come out and made a big deal out of chained cpi, republicans are very concerned that if that not be used as an offset to reduce or to replace some of the spending cuts that you would occur in the sequester, that democrats put forward an alternative and so this is a process. obviously, there's a lot of give and take going on now, but republicans don't want to see new revenues, in other words, democrat tax increases, be used for new spending. so that's sort of where many of our members have drawn the line now. >> that is where it times to be one of the big road blocks are right now, democrats -- you-all want to use what's known as chained cpi, which is a technical -- i won't get into it now but would effectively really affect social security recipients to replace the sequester, which is $100 billion in cuts and democrats want to use new revenue from tax increases to replace the sequester. is that where you see i
senator mcconnell and vice president biden are continuing to discuss this and we think there perhaps still could be a path forward. the one thing that is a, you know, democrats come out and made a big deal out of chained cpi, republicans are very concerned that if that not be used as an offset to reduce or to replace some of the spending cuts that you would occur in the sequester, that democrats put forward an alternative and so this is a process. obviously, there's a lot of give and take going...
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you have worked with vice president biden. as you know, he's been called on by mitch mcconnell to help with these last-minute talks. what do you think his role is now with so little time left? >> well, the vice president goes way back with senator mcconnell, and i've been in the room when they have talked, and it doesn't sound like two partisans separated by deep ideology. it sounds like guys who know how to bang out a deal. that said, if that were up to them perhaps they could get somewhere, but there are so many other forces swirling around this right now. i'm kind of in the same camp as kristen and the other political analysts we just heard from. if we are starting to hear things getting further apart rather than closer apart at this late date, i don't know that a decades old friendship between a couple of senators -- former senator and current one are going to make that much difference at this point. >> paul, let me play for you what senator lindsey graham said this morning on "fox news sunday" about the chances of a small
you have worked with vice president biden. as you know, he's been called on by mitch mcconnell to help with these last-minute talks. what do you think his role is now with so little time left? >> well, the vice president goes way back with senator mcconnell, and i've been in the room when they have talked, and it doesn't sound like two partisans separated by deep ideology. it sounds like guys who know how to bang out a deal. that said, if that were up to them perhaps they could get...
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biden and mcconnell do know how to speak to each other. and i think if they get 75 or 80 votes in the senate for what they come up with, and you know what? they're not that far apart on this fix, if you will. basically, they seem to be divided on whether to buy down the sequester. but they're not that far apart. and if they get 75 or 80 votes, that's going to mean 30 to 35 republicans. boehner has to put it on the floor. and boehner doesn't have to -- boehner really doesn't have to support the deal, but he does have to put it on the floor, and it will pass. >> michael steele, take it to robert gibbs. and it's great that some of these people can talk to each other, but they still have to go back to those who don't want to play ball, correct? >> that's exactly right. and that's the reality that we've lived with. and i think chuck has put a really interesting political identifier on this thing. this play should have probably always have started in the senate with mcconnell as opposed to relying on the house, given the fractured nature of the
biden and mcconnell do know how to speak to each other. and i think if they get 75 or 80 votes in the senate for what they come up with, and you know what? they're not that far apart on this fix, if you will. basically, they seem to be divided on whether to buy down the sequester. but they're not that far apart. and if they get 75 or 80 votes, that's going to mean 30 to 35 republicans. boehner has to put it on the floor. and boehner doesn't have to -- boehner really doesn't have to support the...
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mitch mcconnell and joe biden in talks. we will move to the jump page on some of the sticking points in this. democrats oppose it to let the tax cuts expire on incomes over $450,000 a year. host: that from inside "the washington post." ed is on the phone from michigan. good morning to you. caller: good morning, c-span. i have listened to some of what the democrats have said. the way i look at it -- if the rich, if they are worried about 3% raise, one of the middle class and the poor or about the same raise? is it your patriotic duty to pay taxes? if the poor are concerned about their money going down, a lot of energy regulations are coming into effect that will cost electric costs to co-op which will affect the poor just as badly as it is the rich? host: mark from ohio, good morning. caller: all the power was taken from the epa and given to the nra. there is no fiscal cliff. there was another so-called fiscal cliff in 2008. give money to the billionaires and banks. when eisenhower took office, he gutted the military. taxes
mitch mcconnell and joe biden in talks. we will move to the jump page on some of the sticking points in this. democrats oppose it to let the tax cuts expire on incomes over $450,000 a year. host: that from inside "the washington post." ed is on the phone from michigan. good morning to you. caller: good morning, c-span. i have listened to some of what the democrats have said. the way i look at it -- if the rich, if they are worried about 3% raise, one of the middle class and the poor...
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the republican leader calls joe biden of the bends. -- bench. this is what we have all been waiting for. the republican leader and the vice president have a good working relationship. we saw that last summer. they swooped in and helped make a deal happen. mcconnell's folks said the vice president has been on the sideline. it was an interesting move by mitch mcconnell to try -- to called joe biden today and jump start the negotiations. i think that will be something to watch in the coming hours. how does he play? there are democrats that are concerned he will cut a bad deal. they are feeling pretty good right now. will the democrats hang together across pennsylvania avenue from the white house to congress? a big story line we are watching right now. >> we hear they are coming back, and senator reed wants to bring the senate back. is it likely he will have a deal? >> i wish i could tell you that. if i could, i would be a millionaire. i would be making bets on the starch market. -- stock market. the hope is that there could be some kind of deal. de
the republican leader calls joe biden of the bends. -- bench. this is what we have all been waiting for. the republican leader and the vice president have a good working relationship. we saw that last summer. they swooped in and helped make a deal happen. mcconnell's folks said the vice president has been on the sideline. it was an interesting move by mitch mcconnell to try -- to called joe biden today and jump start the negotiations. i think that will be something to watch in the coming hours....
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in previous budget battles, joe biden has been the closer on these deals. his coming back from delaware might be a sign they are moving a little closer. that will be something to watch. the whole thing about changing cpi and reining in cost of entitlements, republicans are judging in on that. take a listen. >> one of proposals we made was something called change cpi but basically makes an adjustment in terms of how inflation is calculated on social security. highly unpopular among democrats not something supported but to strengthen social security in the long time i'm willing to make those decisions. >> reporter: in the morning, the president seemed to be opening the door to rein in those entitlements and then you heard harry reid shut the door on it. the president was talking in the context of reining in entitlements in a four trillion dollar debt deal not in the last minute deal, he would be willing to do that in much broader debt deal. but when you talk to republicans ron johnson from wisconsin, the real problem the president is not willing to rein in sp
in previous budget battles, joe biden has been the closer on these deals. his coming back from delaware might be a sign they are moving a little closer. that will be something to watch. the whole thing about changing cpi and reining in cost of entitlements, republicans are judging in on that. take a listen. >> one of proposals we made was something called change cpi but basically makes an adjustment in terms of how inflation is calculated on social security. highly unpopular among...
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vice president biden will probably come to capitol hill tonight. they don't like the rate ares and there is still some hesitation. the big story tonight is that republicans are going to unit behind mcconnell. going to leave it there. thank you gentlemen. we are going to go back to washington and get an update on this developing story. that comes later. don't forget folks free market capitalism is the best path to prosperity. it means limited government and limited government spending and rewarding success. i'm kudlow and the kudlow report will be right back. >> this new year's day kick off 2013 in style with the look at what made 2012 unforunforgettab. the new year's day marathon all day on cnbc. nderstand. oh no, it's actually my geico app...see? ...i just uh paid my bill. did you really? from the plane? yeah, i can manage my policy, get roadside assistance, pretty much access geico 24/7. sounds a little too good to be true sir. i'll believe that when pigs fly. ok, did she seriously just say that? geico. just click away with our free mobile app. w
vice president biden will probably come to capitol hill tonight. they don't like the rate ares and there is still some hesitation. the big story tonight is that republicans are going to unit behind mcconnell. going to leave it there. thank you gentlemen. we are going to go back to washington and get an update on this developing story. that comes later. don't forget folks free market capitalism is the best path to prosperity. it means limited government and limited government spending and...
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to the vice president and said, perhaps joe biden could help jump start things. that's where we are now. there was a lot of fatigue and weariness as the day went on the without a package for members to consider. there was a lot of back and forth, as you know, about different elements of a potential deal and what was angering one side or another. what we expected now is, barring some late night breakthrough which seems unlikely, we would hear from the senate tomorrow, late morning, get a sense where they are, if they're any further along, and then if there is a package, it would be revealed to each side, meaning the house and the senate, let members take a look at it, and gauge if they're ready to go and vote on it. it is the final day of the year tomorrow. and so the time could not be any shorter. and that's putting pressure on everyone involved. we just don't have a sense if there is optimism, but at least we're told they are still talking. chris? >> obviously, vice president biden has not been involved in these negotiations up until now. do we know why the whit
to the vice president and said, perhaps joe biden could help jump start things. that's where we are now. there was a lot of fatigue and weariness as the day went on the without a package for members to consider. there was a lot of back and forth, as you know, about different elements of a potential deal and what was angering one side or another. what we expected now is, barring some late night breakthrough which seems unlikely, we would hear from the senate tomorrow, late morning, get a sense...
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i was here yesterday, i'm looking for a dance partner, even saying he and joe biden have solved problems before. that's a hopeful sign. that there's a willing partner he can trust at the table. but the fact that you know you can get to point where people don't even have a counteroffer obviously is frustrating and it's really neither side should look to the american people like they're giving up until the very last minute. >> a.b. stoddard, thank you very much. we always appreciate your insight. >> there may be bickering on capitol hill about the fiscal cliff, but outside of washington, americans want something done and yes, they want it done now. >>> and the oak ridge boys have been crooning for the ailing president, george h. bush and someone who was there will join us to tell us how it went. hey, look! a shooting star! make a wish! i wish we could lie here forever. i wish this test drive was over, so we could head back to the dealership. [ male announcer ] it's practically yours. test drive! but we still need your signature. volkswagen sign then drive is back. and it's never been easie
i was here yesterday, i'm looking for a dance partner, even saying he and joe biden have solved problems before. that's a hopeful sign. that there's a willing partner he can trust at the table. but the fact that you know you can get to point where people don't even have a counteroffer obviously is frustrating and it's really neither side should look to the american people like they're giving up until the very last minute. >> a.b. stoddard, thank you very much. we always appreciate your...
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talks are continuing this evening between the vice president joe biden and mitch mcconnell. they were making some sense of progress there. this is after two stop soldiers, mitch mcconnell and harry reid failed to make much progress through tonight and this morning. harry reid went home earlier this yeeng and biden and mcconnell were taking point on the negotiations. they worked out a deal couple years ago for unemployment insurance that cut the social security tax. they 6 worked together before and they have succeeded reaching a deal before and folks on capitol hill they can do so again. >> less than 26 hours from what everyone calls a fiscal cliff. it would be comprehensive big package we hear them talk about, the big compromise that speaker boen and the president had worked out a year and a half ago? >> if you want what is known a as the grand bargain you would likely get in two steps. a small down payment, a tax rate increase and some of the spending measures and some of the other tax measures and perhaps instructions for the next six to eight months to congress to work o
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they want to lear from joe biden or one of his representatives. how did you arrive at this deal and what does it mean for us. you're watching for senators idea logical senators on both sides of this deal, liberals up set that the income threshold at 450, conservatives up set that there are no spending cuts in this deal t is all revenue. will somebody slow it down and block it. you have to watch it on the stat side because that pushes the senate over the cliff too. on the house side, once they're aware of what this deal is, how many votes can john boehner get on the republican side until you get to 218 through any combination of republican and democratic votes at this point. >> woodruff: not much celebrating tonight in the capitol. or at the capitol itself. todd zwillich, thank you very much. >> always a pleasure, judy. >> still to come on the newshour >> suarez: still to come on the newshour, causes and treatments for blood clots; a look back at the presidential race; building jobs skills while in high school; the emancipation proclamation; and 20
they want to lear from joe biden or one of his representatives. how did you arrive at this deal and what does it mean for us. you're watching for senators idea logical senators on both sides of this deal, liberals up set that the income threshold at 450, conservatives up set that there are no spending cuts in this deal t is all revenue. will somebody slow it down and block it. you have to watch it on the stat side because that pushes the senate over the cliff too. on the house side, once...
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and that is what vice president joe biden is trying to sell the liberals on right now. saying that this is not the threshold that he wanted. but it's something that least gives tax cuts to many americans were making much less than $250,000 per year. and if you don't do that, the taxes are going to go. gerri: all right, we are going to take a break right now. but we will break into programming the minute that anybody goes to the senate if we hear from the vice president. rich edson is covering all this for us on capitol hill. the fox business team is in place here on sixth avenue. two hours left from the fiscal cliff. the revelers are ready to party, and we are here for you all night. back to the programming totion e that injunction against the contraceptive mandate? >> it is a surprisingri, pringlehey lt be >> a christian-based company, and they think that that is part of their credo, and 10mandment l commandments, the golden rule. the living hearing purchase pilt will kill babies. we are not going to do it. but the circuit court, the appeals court said we are going to
and that is what vice president joe biden is trying to sell the liberals on right now. saying that this is not the threshold that he wanted. but it's something that least gives tax cuts to many americans were making much less than $250,000 per year. and if you don't do that, the taxes are going to go. gerri: all right, we are going to take a break right now. but we will break into programming the minute that anybody goes to the senate if we hear from the vice president. rich edson is covering...
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just over two hours and once the house passes it, if they do pass it, we saw vice-president joseph biden on capitol hill and that was the key signal that negotiators had struck a deal. senate leader and mission mcconnel -- mitch mcconnel was working out the compromise when vice-president joseph biden was on the hill he talked with fellow democrats and briefed them and legs laying was drafted. we now know -- legislation was drafted. we now know families making more than 450,000 dollars a year will see their taxes go up and while those automatic spending cuts are deferred until the beginning of march, the bill does provide for $24 billion in savings over the next 2 months. half will come from revenue and a half comes from the house and 89 voted for and 88 voted against it. >>> vigils will be held in two east bay communities for a young woman in india who died after being gang raped. it sparked outrage calling for more protection for women. and starting at the hundred due temple and in oakland people will gather in recognition of all victims of rape. >>> doctors say they expect secretary of
just over two hours and once the house passes it, if they do pass it, we saw vice-president joseph biden on capitol hill and that was the key signal that negotiators had struck a deal. senate leader and mission mcconnel -- mitch mcconnel was working out the compromise when vice-president joseph biden was on the hill he talked with fellow democrats and briefed them and legs laying was drafted. we now know -- legislation was drafted. we now know families making more than 450,000 dollars a year...
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>> you heard vice president biden. the white house has put forth a deal and gotten some republicans is in leadership so go along with this. is a big step. we're going to see the republican party rear its ugly head and see how rogue they want to be in going against the majority of americans. very clear. you look at every poll out there protect social security, medicare, medicaid. in this round, that's exactly what the white house did. republicans want to go against that, they have to deal with it in 2014. they want the wealthiest americans to pay for. that's what will happen in this deal. republicans will have to deal with that down the road this will bring more money into the treasury and won't hurt the middle class. the middle class has been protected in this deal and that's exactly what the president said he would do all along. and this is a monumental move by the republicans if they vote for this, there will only be two republicans that ever voted for a tax increase. for the president to keep this, is it's dig deal.
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in attendance will be vice president joe biden. is it going to be difficult to sell your party on this deal? >> well, i think that we're going to come together in about an hour as a democratic caucus and hear the vice president out. there are a lot of good things in this bill that make sense and that i think it will ultimately earn the overwhelming majority of house democratic votes. we made sure that as we committed throughout this last campaign that we would not allow taxes to increase on 98% of americans that's in this deal. we made sure that we pushed off a really significant slashing of defense spending as well as domestic spending and we'll make sure going forward that whatever deal we do reach on those spending cuts is balanced when it comes to both revenue and spending cuts. and that's the overall -- overriding commitment here is we have a balanced plan in front of us and we'll need to -- any further deals made in the future continue to have a balanced plan. >> there are some in your party who don't like this plan. senator
in attendance will be vice president joe biden. is it going to be difficult to sell your party on this deal? >> well, i think that we're going to come together in about an hour as a democratic caucus and hear the vice president out. there are a lot of good things in this bill that make sense and that i think it will ultimately earn the overwhelming majority of house democratic votes. we made sure that as we committed throughout this last campaign that we would not allow taxes to increase...
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they want to lear from joe biden or one of his representatives. how did you arrive at this deal and what does it mean for us. you're watching for senators idea logical senators on both sides of this deal liberals up set that the income threshold at 450 conservatives up set that there are no spending cuts in this deal t is all revenue. will somebody slow it down and block it. you have to watch it on the stat side because that pushes the senate over the cliff too. on the house side, once they're aware of what this deal is, how many votes can john boehner get on the republican side until you get to 218 through any combination of republican and democratic votes at this point. >> woodruff: not much celebrating tonight in the capitol. or at the capitol itself. todd zwillich thank you very much. >> always a pleasure, judy. >> still to come on the newshour >> suarez: still to come on the newshour, causes and treatments for blood clots; a look back at the presidential race; building jobs skills while in high school; the emancipation proclamation; and 2012
they want to lear from joe biden or one of his representatives. how did you arrive at this deal and what does it mean for us. you're watching for senators idea logical senators on both sides of this deal liberals up set that the income threshold at 450 conservatives up set that there are no spending cuts in this deal t is all revenue. will somebody slow it down and block it. you have to watch it on the stat side because that pushes the senate over the cliff too. on the house side, once they're...
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and biden will see his pay go go up to $231,900. speaker boehner will make $224,600. that's $30,000 more than the pay of senate and house majority and minority leaders. those raises maybe good news for congress. but the rest of america won't be so happy when they see their paycheck next year. it's almost certain that the government will not extend the payroll tax holiday. that means a 2% tax increase for every last one of us. joining me is gerald bernstein, a senior fellow at the center of budget and policy priorities. get the title out. let's get to business. why are we not talking about this? talking about the cliff, but everybody's taxes going up with the payroll tax holiday. >>ith a great question, t.j. an important and underappreciated part of the fiscal cliff. the answer to the why is it really doesn't have any champions. when you hear the list of things people fighting for, estate tax, you hear the unemployment extension, things like that. you don't even hear this listed anymore. i know for a fact that the white house was fighting for this. they understand how
and biden will see his pay go go up to $231,900. speaker boehner will make $224,600. that's $30,000 more than the pay of senate and house majority and minority leaders. those raises maybe good news for congress. but the rest of america won't be so happy when they see their paycheck next year. it's almost certain that the government will not extend the payroll tax holiday. that means a 2% tax increase for every last one of us. joining me is gerald bernstein, a senior fellow at the center of...
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vice president biden also here at the white house. he can of course be an incredibly important player in this entire process. president obama's strategy has to some extent been to wage a public campaign putting the pressure on congress to get something done during that exclusive interview earlier today you heard the president accuse republicans of being solely focused on protecting the taxes of wealthier americans. of course, president obama wants to see the bush era tax cuts extended for those making $250,000 or less while letting it raise on those making more than that. that $250,000 figure is up for debate and is up for compromise. i can tell you that republican leaders on the hill fired back saying he was more interested on assigning blame than getting something done and leading while they are trying to hammer out a deal. that is where things stand right now at the white house. clearly watching these developments quite closely. >> kristen welker, thank you. we will be checking back throughout the afternoon, as well. nchlts for mor
vice president biden also here at the white house. he can of course be an incredibly important player in this entire process. president obama's strategy has to some extent been to wage a public campaign putting the pressure on congress to get something done during that exclusive interview earlier today you heard the president accuse republicans of being solely focused on protecting the taxes of wealthier americans. of course, president obama wants to see the bush era tax cuts extended for those...
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mcconnell and joe biden. so there's an indication of how things are going. >> you wrote that democrats are hesitant to put a deal on the senate floor with no republican backing, because it just offers them a chance to score political points when public opinion does seem to be favoring the democrats. democrats don't have an incentive to waste a show of support for something that can't pass, right? >> that's exactly where democrats are. they feel like they want to get a deal with republican backing, if they can. but remember on friday, the president kind of put republicans in a box. he said either cut a deal in the senate and push it through, or i'm going to ask harry reid to put my scaled back plan on the senate floor. and remember that scaled back plan has tax increases for everybody who makes over $250,000, which republicans don't love at all. i'll have harry reid put that on the floor and you'll have to block it. and you will have to then take responsibility for not pushing it through. so republicans are a
mcconnell and joe biden. so there's an indication of how things are going. >> you wrote that democrats are hesitant to put a deal on the senate floor with no republican backing, because it just offers them a chance to score political points when public opinion does seem to be favoring the democrats. democrats don't have an incentive to waste a show of support for something that can't pass, right? >> that's exactly where democrats are. they feel like they want to get a deal with...
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>> trace, very interesting comments from vice president joe biden up here for an unrelated matter about the fiscal cliff today. he says, essentially he was asked what do you think will pass? he said if you tell me what would attract republican support, i can tell you what would pass. if asked if he was optimistic, he said he was neither optimistic or pessimistic but was going back to talk to the president. the senate majority leader sounded frustrated with house republican leadership. >> american people i don't think understand the house of representatives is operating out the house of representatives. it's being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker, not allowing the vast majority of the house representatives to get what they want. >> reporter: as you mentioned, trace, the speaker's spokesman said afterward, reid should focus on legislating. he was scheduled for a news conference this afternoon, but that's been scrubbed. >> what about the republican side? any movement there? >> the breaking news of the moment is the house republican leadership is calling members back for sunday e
>> trace, very interesting comments from vice president joe biden up here for an unrelated matter about the fiscal cliff today. he says, essentially he was asked what do you think will pass? he said if you tell me what would attract republican support, i can tell you what would pass. if asked if he was optimistic, he said he was neither optimistic or pessimistic but was going back to talk to the president. the senate majority leader sounded frustrated with house republican leadership....
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. # vice president biden was in the senate. it was clearly on people's minds. also what was in the room, it's interesting, was one of the aspects that came out of desert one and that was the formation of a unified special operation forces command, the very troops, the forces here that would carry out this operation that had become such a unique asset of the united states. >> the president made one decision informed it seems to me like that history, which is he asked for two backup helicopters. >> the president asked for enough assets to ensure that the united states on its own could get in and could get out of the abbottabad compound. >> so now take us to that moment or was it a series of meetings what we now know is that vice president biden voiced reservations about an actual raid as opposed to a missile strike. secretary gates did. some key military leaders did. what was that like? was it a situation where the majority of the president's advisers were urging him not to do this? >> to get to this point, there were two dozen interagency meetings leading up to
. # vice president biden was in the senate. it was clearly on people's minds. also what was in the room, it's interesting, was one of the aspects that came out of desert one and that was the formation of a unified special operation forces command, the very troops, the forces here that would carry out this operation that had become such a unique asset of the united states. >> the president made one decision informed it seems to me like that history, which is he asked for two backup...
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when there is a crisis, vice president biden calls. his calls seem to have less influence as time has gone on. host: let's go to lincoln on the republican line. caller: i get in contact with many people are around the world. i have a few friends in egypt and kuwait. i am more worried about my friend in kuwait. is there a possibility iraq might reinvade kuwait anytime soon? guest: no. host: what are the current relationships? guest: understand the question because there are still issues. military lacks the capacity to do anything like that. iraq has no air force. that is one reason is so easy for the iranians to fly through their territory. there was an operation in 2008 in basrah that maliki commanded. the united states military had not provided a lot of support and advisers, he probably would have failed. i do not think maliki has any reason to focus on kuwait. his big concern is syria. he is worried the fall of assad will embolden sunnis and kurds in syrian and iraq and that the correlation of forces will turn against him. that is hi
when there is a crisis, vice president biden calls. his calls seem to have less influence as time has gone on. host: let's go to lincoln on the republican line. caller: i get in contact with many people are around the world. i have a few friends in egypt and kuwait. i am more worried about my friend in kuwait. is there a possibility iraq might reinvade kuwait anytime soon? guest: no. host: what are the current relationships? guest: understand the question because there are still issues....
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he had the able efforts of his vice president, joe biden, as well, to help in this effort. last night vice president biden came back to his home, the united states national, where he served for 36 years, and spoke to the senate democrats about the importance of this vote. it was almost an hour and a half on new year's eve, somewhat surreal, as we gathered some away from their spouses for the first time in decades, for this important vote and for an hour and a half we spoke and asked questions of the vice president and expressed our feelings. and you could sense during the course of thew meeting an emerging consensus among the democratic senators. in the end, there were all but three of the democratic senators who voted in favor of this measure. there are parts of it that many of us disagree with, even today, but we understand that is the nature of compromise, that part of what you have to accept may not be popular with you, but you have to be willing to compromise to solve problems. when we look at the issues that were before us, i think we made some significant progress. t
he had the able efforts of his vice president, joe biden, as well, to help in this effort. last night vice president biden came back to his home, the united states national, where he served for 36 years, and spoke to the senate democrats about the importance of this vote. it was almost an hour and a half on new year's eve, somewhat surreal, as we gathered some away from their spouses for the first time in decades, for this important vote and for an hour and a half we spoke and asked questions...
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maybe 7:30 where vice president biden will update the caucus on the state of the deal. senate democrats we're told have not signed off on the deal. after the caucus there is an expectation of votes around possibly 10:00 p.m. maybe later. as we get word about the senate action. and knowing about it. but it will be a while. 10:00 p.m. we're going to be back here at 8:00 p.m. you were saying about this deal, we rudely cut you off before. that the entitlement reform is not specific on the republican side. democratic side, frankly there is no spending cuts in this deal. no additional spending cuts. >> there this is the other part of this. obama doesn't -- obama believes in stimulating the economy through spending. he doesn't believe in making all the cuts. so again, like you are asking him to adopt a world view he doesn't have. >> bret: even though he talked about it many times. >> he does talk about it. >> expounding upon it. fixing social security and medicare. >> anybody who reads paul krugman, grand pubah of economics on the left his worry that the deficit will be reduce
maybe 7:30 where vice president biden will update the caucus on the state of the deal. senate democrats we're told have not signed off on the deal. after the caucus there is an expectation of votes around possibly 10:00 p.m. maybe later. as we get word about the senate action. and knowing about it. but it will be a while. 10:00 p.m. we're going to be back here at 8:00 p.m. you were saying about this deal, we rudely cut you off before. that the entitlement reform is not specific on the...
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. >> one story is that much mcconnell had gone to speak with vice president biden. what can you tell us? guest: the republican leader calls joe biden off the bench. it is what we had been waiting for. the senate republican leader and the vice-president have a good working relationship. we saw that in the debt ceiling debate. they swooped in at the and down the made the deal happen. -- at the end and made it happen. it was an interesting move by mitch mcconnell to call joe biden today and try to jump- start these negotiations when they locked up with the majority leader on the democratic side. i think that will be something to watch here in the coming hours. how will it play? there are many concern that maybe you will cut a bad deal. will joe biden come in to embolden the republicans or will the democrats altogether across pennsylvania avenue? a big story line we are all watching now very closely. >> we hear senator reed wants to bring them back at 11. is it likely they will have some kind of deal or counteroffer in hand when the gavel back in? guest: i wish i could
. >> one story is that much mcconnell had gone to speak with vice president biden. what can you tell us? guest: the republican leader calls joe biden off the bench. it is what we had been waiting for. the senate republican leader and the vice-president have a good working relationship. we saw that in the debt ceiling debate. they swooped in at the and down the made the deal happen. -- at the end and made it happen. it was an interesting move by mitch mcconnell to call joe biden today and...
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president obama and vice president joe biden. they are getting a pay raise. you heard me correctly. they just got a raise by executive order. the president is ending the pay freeze on federal workers, which includes conongressional member. it was put in place three years ago. i don't know about you, listening to the folks that pushed us to the brink of the fiscal cliff. a little hard to take him at his neck? that's my "two cents more". that's it for tonight "willis report." thank you for joining us. don't forget to tape the show. if you can't testify. have a great night moments ago, president obama saying he still has hope. >> i'm optimistic we may still be able to reach an agreement that can pass both houses in time. senators reid and mcconnell are working on such an agreement as we speak. >> and as we speak, rich edson is live in washington with the very latest. >> well, it's up to the senate. staffers and a majority leader harry reid, minority leader mitch mcconnell are trying to negotiate a scaled-down debt deal to avoid some of the fiscal cliff and take other major decisions on
president obama and vice president joe biden. they are getting a pay raise. you heard me correctly. they just got a raise by executive order. the president is ending the pay freeze on federal workers, which includes conongressional member. it was put in place three years ago. i don't know about you, listening to the folks that pushed us to the brink of the fiscal cliff. a little hard to take him at his neck? that's my "two cents more". that's it for tonight "willis report."...
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never received a response to a republican offer last night and is reaching out to vice president joe biden to kickstart negotiations with the white house at this point. the senator saying fail to go solved the crisis is simply not an option. >> the consequences of this are too high for american people to be engaged in a political messaging campaign. there's no single issue that remains an impossible sticking point. the sticking point appears to be a willingness and interest or frankly the courage to close the deal. i want everyone to know i'm willing to get this done. but i need a dance partner. >> a dance partner. meanwhile democrats being led by senate majority leader harry reid who says he's cautiously optimistic about reaching a deal but warns there's not much more negotiating that can be done on his end. >> i don't have a counter offer to make. perhaps the day wears on, i will ble to. i will say that i think that the republican leader has shown good faith. it's just we're apart on pretty big issues. >> that was earlier. let's get the latest now because it's changing minute-by-minute.
never received a response to a republican offer last night and is reaching out to vice president joe biden to kickstart negotiations with the white house at this point. the senator saying fail to go solved the crisis is simply not an option. >> the consequences of this are too high for american people to be engaged in a political messaging campaign. there's no single issue that remains an impossible sticking point. the sticking point appears to be a willingness and interest or frankly the...
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that's vice president joe biden. mcconnell and biden reportedly spoke several times by phone throughout the night after talks with harry reid came to a halt. welcome back, everyone, to "morning joe." that's the latest. ed rendell and jeffrey sachs all with us along with sam stein and michael steele in washington. joining us also in washington, senior national correspondent for "bloomberg businessweek," joshua green. and joshua, before we go on to what led to this doomsday scenario that we're facing right now, which was all set up by lawmakers in washington, talk to me about what businesses are looking for and wall street is looking for. there will be reaction. there's always this discussion about the need for certainty. at best, we're going to get some sort of small deal that puts everything off, which makes this whole deadline make no sense. are businesses going to respond well to that? >> if we get a deal, yes. i mean, wall street all along has been looking to avert the fiscal cliff. and frankly, i don't think ceos
that's vice president joe biden. mcconnell and biden reportedly spoke several times by phone throughout the night after talks with harry reid came to a halt. welcome back, everyone, to "morning joe." that's the latest. ed rendell and jeffrey sachs all with us along with sam stein and michael steele in washington. joining us also in washington, senior national correspondent for "bloomberg businessweek," joshua green. and joshua, before we go on to what led to this doomsday...
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even vice president biden might come over if they're close to a deal. more narrow issues are still dividing them. they've maid a lot of progress. they're just not there yet. milissa? >> i'm glad you just described that to us all about the mood in the senate tonight. correct me if i'm wrong, it almost sounds hopeful there. >> is a sense it's worth staying here and they're looking at these details. at the same time people are tired there are some frustrations there is a sense they could have gotten this done sooner. you hear that plenty. but those who have been at the table and looking at this do see compromise that has happened on both sides. you have republicans and democrats who made big compromises on taxes. the president moving up from his $250,000 threshold to 400 and 450 for individuals and couples. and republicans who wanted to see no tax increases for any level did agree, at least at this stage, that they would support tax increases. i say at this stage because this agreement should it happen then has to be voted on of course by the full senate a
even vice president biden might come over if they're close to a deal. more narrow issues are still dividing them. they've maid a lot of progress. they're just not there yet. milissa? >> i'm glad you just described that to us all about the mood in the senate tonight. correct me if i'm wrong, it almost sounds hopeful there. >> is a sense it's worth staying here and they're looking at these details. at the same time people are tired there are some frustrations there is a sense they...
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right now his representative, joe biden, was in the senate for a very long time, is trying to forge a deal with mitch mcconnell. they've had a successful partnership in the past, and harry reid, the majority leader, seems to go along with that. so maybe the outlines of a deal can be between those two principals. then again, we have john boehner, speaker of the house, has to control his own republican party. what happens if mcconnell and biden create a minimal deal and boehner can't sell it, then we're back to square one, which is failure. >> right. which boehner couldn't do with his plan b a couple of days ago. >> that's right. >> the question is, if some deal should be reached, i'm not expecting something that's overreaching, something large, is it short-term? >> very short-term. and then i'm sorry to be the dispenser of bad news, we have the whole fiscal cliff again with the fiscal reputation in terms of the borrowing maximum, the ceiling, which will come due in about a month where they have to raise the debt ceiling. you remember the president said, i'm not going to play that game
right now his representative, joe biden, was in the senate for a very long time, is trying to forge a deal with mitch mcconnell. they've had a successful partnership in the past, and harry reid, the majority leader, seems to go along with that. so maybe the outlines of a deal can be between those two principals. then again, we have john boehner, speaker of the house, has to control his own republican party. what happens if mcconnell and biden create a minimal deal and boehner can't sell it,...
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struggling and suffering and generational theft is going on what did we see obama is ordering pay raises for biden and members of congress and federal workers and nobody is talking about our healthcare taxes going up, billy cunningham. how in good conscience do they do this at this time? >> sean hannity, the people are taking this in the shorts now are going to be the butchers, the bakers, the candlestickmakers and carpenters and elec electricia. we haven't talked about the huge tax increases on average americans. take billions and ship it off to a black hole in washington and call it a victory. boehner will be elected speaker. the republicans won't be primary #-d. the media will declare obama the winner and the only person getting hurt is the middle class that allegedly obama supports which is a bunch of baloney. that s go is going to happen. >> i will throw this to joe trippi. the people that will really be hurt are the children and grand children that we are stealing from. we are robbing these kids blind. we are taking their inheritance away. and i have a question for you, for joe trippi. why i
struggling and suffering and generational theft is going on what did we see obama is ordering pay raises for biden and members of congress and federal workers and nobody is talking about our healthcare taxes going up, billy cunningham. how in good conscience do they do this at this time? >> sean hannity, the people are taking this in the shorts now are going to be the butchers, the bakers, the candlestickmakers and carpenters and elec electricia. we haven't talked about the huge tax...
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just a few minutes, vice president joe biden speaking in hawaii lieutenant governor schatz. ko coming up, why the governor ignored the death bed wishes of the senator asking for someone else to fill the seat. mark murray will join me live. >>> plus, that massive winter storm blamed for killing 15 as it creates more trouble for travel everies returning home from the holidays. >>> russia's president says he, quote, doesn't see any reasons he shouldn't sign a bill banning americans from adopting russian children. don't forget as always, join the conversation. we are on twitter. there's our handle right there. we'll be right back. new years clutter is no match for someone with big ideas. with a new project in mind, some how-to knowledge to give us an edge, and more savings down every aisle. it only takes a few twists and turns for those bright ideas to make the new year even brighter. more saving. more doing. that's the power of the home depot. start fresh and save with hdx 20 gallon totes, a special buy at just $5.88 a piece. [ sniffs ] i took dayquil but my nose is still runny
just a few minutes, vice president joe biden speaking in hawaii lieutenant governor schatz. ko coming up, why the governor ignored the death bed wishes of the senator asking for someone else to fill the seat. mark murray will join me live. >>> plus, that massive winter storm blamed for killing 15 as it creates more trouble for travel everies returning home from the holidays. >>> russia's president says he, quote, doesn't see any reasons he shouldn't sign a bill banning...
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. >> lawmakers and vice president biden struggling all day on a deal, but no final vote. at least so far. we'll get the latest from the hill and show what this means for you and your taxes starting tomorrow. >> ali is going to be with us for the next hour or two or three. who knows. we're also watching a very serious health scare for the secretary of state, hillary clinton. she's now hospitalized with a blood clot. doctors are revealing where it is. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. >>> we'll get to the fiscal cliff negotiations. there's movement right now, but first, startling new information we're learning about the blood clot that landed secretary of state hillary clinton in the hospital this new year's eve. her doctor is now revealing it's located in her head between her brain and her skull. let's go straight to our chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta for the latest. they issued a pretty detailed statement, sanjay. walk us through what we know about the secretary's condition. >> well, what they have told us, just over
. >> lawmakers and vice president biden struggling all day on a deal, but no final vote. at least so far. we'll get the latest from the hill and show what this means for you and your taxes starting tomorrow. >> ali is going to be with us for the next hour or two or three. who knows. we're also watching a very serious health scare for the secretary of state, hillary clinton. she's now hospitalized with a blood clot. doctors are revealing where it is. we want to welcome our viewers in...
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it's led by joe biden. he has already convened it twice. he has met with law enforcement officials, with mayors, and more excitingly, you've got people on the hill already announcing bills that are going to put forward on day one of the new congress. we've got senator feinstein proposing an assault weapons ban. we've got someone else with a high capacity ammunition clips. think it's maybe lautenberg, and you have the president publicly saying now that he supports those bills. this is the most momentum to date. this is the most we're going to see for a while. they have to build now or go home. >> that's the question. we go back to the question of capitol hill gridlock, and as much as people want to sort of talk about the issue and it makes everyone feel good to say they're on the right side of the issue, but can something like this get through the house of representatives? >> two dirty secrets. the first one is the white house before the election is actually going to do something on gun control if he got re-elected. second dirty secret is yo
it's led by joe biden. he has already convened it twice. he has met with law enforcement officials, with mayors, and more excitingly, you've got people on the hill already announcing bills that are going to put forward on day one of the new congress. we've got senator feinstein proposing an assault weapons ban. we've got someone else with a high capacity ammunition clips. think it's maybe lautenberg, and you have the president publicly saying now that he supports those bills. this is the most...
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mcconnell called biden. they were apparently able to break that impasse by reasoning together. that's the way our democracy works at the end of the day, when it works, people being reasonable in a room together based on a reservoir of trust. and that's an asset biden brings to the table. >> john, you talk about being reasonable, you would think that congress, a room full of lawmakers, they know how to negotiate, they know how to take baby steps so each side at least feels they're getting a little bit of what they want. can -- why did they have to call biden in at the last minute? why didn't they call him earlier? why are we here today on the last day of december? why couldn't this have been done weeks ago? >> deb, we're here at the last day of december in the final hours because of a culture of division and dysfunction in washington, d.c. and it didn't happen overnight. it has been created over a long time, because the polarization of the two parties, the system of redistricting that reduced the number of swing districts to one-third what they were 20 years ago, so the incentiv
mcconnell called biden. they were apparently able to break that impasse by reasoning together. that's the way our democracy works at the end of the day, when it works, people being reasonable in a room together based on a reservoir of trust. and that's an asset biden brings to the table. >> john, you talk about being reasonable, you would think that congress, a room full of lawmakers, they know how to negotiate, they know how to take baby steps so each side at least feels they're getting...